/int/ - International

why about Finland? I thought Sweden had a nuclear arms program. pretty advanced at some point in the Cold war.

>>26878 I think it's a "le women and brown people bad" thread, considering the poster and >Here they are in the photo, what a beautiful set of people That aside, even an isolated and heavily sanctioned country like North Korea managed to build their own nuclear weapons. Given the resources (mainly uranium), any first-world country could make nuclear bombs in a couple of years.

Making fission based nukes doesn't even seem that complicated, i'm sure we could do it if we managed to keep it secret from other countries

But isn't Europeon countries against nuclear energy? For example Belgium voting to shut down nuclear power stations even with the war in Ukraine.

>>26888 Nuclear reactors are only needed if you want to build plutonium-based bombs. For any kind of nuclear bomb, you can just enrich uranium.

Troll thread but I'm pretty sure that if they wanted, they could. Bombs aren't hard and the reactors are already there.

If David Hahn could do it Finland can do it

>>26884 north korea isnt a left wing country, so their nuclear program consisted of men, espionage, and chinese aid

you don't need to invent it yourself. just buy the plans from poojeetia. propably even a woman could assemble it that way

>>26868 > My conclusion is that Finland could not build the atomic bomb today. What the fuck? You don't need to "invent" anything to build an atomic bomb. All you need is to build a breeder reactor the size of a house, run it for a couple of weeks, extract about 7 kilos of the weapons-grade Plutonium it produces, shape it into a ball, and then put it into a box filled with conventional explosives that smashes the compresses the ball. The Americans managed to do this 80 years ago during insane war-time shortages. Even brown people and Jews did it 50 years ago.

>>26885 I agree. It's really not that difficult for a team of some of the top physicists and engineers of almost any country. Centrifugal isotope separation is something you can buy commercially off the shelf or build your own. Worst case, magnetic ion beam separation is simple, works at low throughput and produces high purity in one pass. The gun-type bomb design is dead simple and an implosion-type design is doable, too. Fission-fusion-fission ("thermonuclear") high yield designs take a few more years of research.

>>26903 Enriching Uranium is about 100 times more work than breeding Pu-239 from abundant U-238, though.

>>26885 >i'm sure we could do it if we managed to keep it secret from other countries All nuclear power stations generate small amounts of weapons-grade material during normal operation. Finland is storing thousands of tons of nuclear waste from power plants in Onkalo. You could simply start building a fuel reprocessing plant nearby on the grounds that Finland is now such an expert in handling this type of stuff and Russia is no longer available as a partner for reprocessing. You would have extracted the amount of weapons-grade material required to build a bomb pretty soon.

>100 years ago since the last nuclear explosion lolwut?

>>26920 >during insane war-time shortages That is the part that is nod really true. Their industry was producing about as much as the rest of the world taken together at the time, it was peak USA. They had some rationing for civilians but all the more abundance for defense projects. They separated the isotopes using two different techniques and produced two different bomb designs, just to be sure.

>>26951 The Manhattan program didn't receive enough copper for the Calutrons. They found out they could substitute much of the copper with silver, but they also couldn't get enough silver through the normal channels, so they had to loan it from the reserves of the US treasury. There was no "abundance", the US was also running low on everything, and also for military programs. Rubber and tin are other examples.

Does Finland have a nuclear power industry? If so then that's the first step done.

>>26920 i don't know how to tell you this but you don't know how to make a nuclear weapon, im sorry. you've deceived yourself.

>>26957 Finland has 5 reactors spread across two nuclear power plants, including the most powerful reactor in Europe and third most powerful globally. Traditionally, Finland didn't process its nuclear waste but sold it to the USSR for processing in its nuclear weapons program. After the Kyshtym disaster became public knowledge in the 70s, that exchange became unpopular in Finland. So you are correct, Finland is capable of a secret nuclear weapons program, but has no need for one and only recently felt threatened enough to join NATO.

Don't you need extremely expensive infrastructure to train people in the field? What comes to mind is MIT's nuclear undergrad and how it has deep ties with government, but it's obviously not fair comparing the scale of things done in the US to Finland (not only financially, having a vast territory also helps so that if something goes wrong you don't destroy a bunch of lives and Europe is tiny)

>>27117 You don't, and a country that operates nuclear power plants like Finland obviously already has. Atomic bombs are extremely simple. The hurdles to building one are mainly raised by foreign nations (sanctions, international treaties, fear of becoming a target for others during Nuclear War, etc.). Technology-wise pretty much any country in the world could nowadays do what the Pakistani and Israeli accomplished in the 1970s.

we can easily invent a nuke by increasing taxes and taking loans to pay the french or yanks to do it

>>26981 we have plenty of natural uranium here but we're too retarded to enrich it for our power plants so even if we mined it, the mining companies would be likely canadian or australian owned as it is the tradition here and the uranium would first need to be shipped to australia for enrichment our politicians are worried about neocolonialism in africa, the exploitation of natural resources by the westerners and how the french have made sure half of africa has no monetary independence but when finland is african tier in this regard they think it's a good thing

Bernd, if Germany is rich in uranium, why they don't use nuclear energy? Why they buy oil and gas from dictatorships?

>>27237 fukushima heda culture of referendum

>>27237 Germany isn't rich in uranium. The Russians took it all to build nuclear bombs.

>>27201 This is not true. All known uranium deposits in Finland are small, low-grade and uneconomic for exploitation. Terrafame started testing a new process at the Sotkamo mine in Talvivaara in 2024 that might make Uranium extraction as a by-product of zinc and nickel production viable. They have a license to mine up to 6 kilograms of Uranium. Kilograms. Olkiluoto block 3 needs about 30 tons of 5% enriched Uranium fuel per year, which would require around 300 tons of natural Uranium ore. Even if Finland hat enough Uranium reserves for its own power plants, as you claim, it still wouldn't really be economic to enrich it in Finland. The country requires just about 100 tonnes of new fuel per year in total. Even if that fuel had to be completely created by enrichment and reprocessing plants didn't exist, Finland would require an enrichment plant with a capacity of less than 2.000 tSWU per year. That would be a pretty small plant compared to the other ones everybody uses. George Besse II in France is at 7.500 tSWU/year, Novouralsk in Russia does 13.300 tSWU/year. Everybody uses the same few facilities around the world because it's so expensive to run those plants and you can also outsource the safety risks. If something goes wrong, it didn't happen on your own soil.

>>27237 europe is akin to century of humiliation china, they view technology like nuclear, AC, as foreign savagery. they mostly smoke opium and pontificate on their superiority as a 2,000 year old empire, and i suppose from this thread believe they will stop being inferior whenever they feel like it, much like how smokers can quit whenever they want, even after a total failure to build military industry 11 years since the crimea incident

>>27245 I thought they still had a lot, including undiscovered reserves??

>>27261 If they're undiscovered, how can we know?

>>27264 >undiscovered by goyim is what cubefren meant, of course

>>27132 Doesn't Pakistan owe its program to a German? And Israel stole theirs.

>>27308 India, Pakistan and Israel owe their programs to both the explicit help and "ignorance" of the other nuclear powers. For example France proposed giving a nuclear reactor for a weapons program to Israel in exchange for Israel invading the Sinai, so France and Britain could pose as "peacekeepers" and in the process take back the Suez canal (see the Suez Crisis). The UK in 1969 agreed to supply Pakistan with a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant that could extract weapons-grade Plutonium. Many Pakistani scientists worked at nuclear research institutions in foreign countries (e.g. the International Center for Theoretical Physics in Trieste in Italy) and even for the International Atomic Energy Agency and the United Nations, where they worked for the Pakistani weapons program and sent knowledge back home. Looking back it is unbelievable there aren't more nuclear powers now, and not a single nuclear warhead has been used on a battlefield since 1945.