/int/ - International

Cucks gonna cuck. They'll get over it.

>>28315 If i would be a country, i would boycott, too. Should've done that 10 or 15 years ago.

Apparently Germany threatened to leave the European Broadcasting Union if Israel was banned (like Russia). Color me not surprised in the slightest.

This will probably be the UK's best shot in years but I do wish we'd pull out of this. It's not just the apartheid and warcrimes, harassing other acts and double standards due to sponsors but the obviously bullshit voting system that allows determined voters to spam their cause. I shan't be watching this year. >that supposedly nobody watches How dare you.

>>28329 They apparently intend to modify the televoting system and strengthen the role of the juries. But it's obviously going to fail again because continuing to give the fraudulent televotes such a prominent place (or honestly any place at all) only plays into the hands of the enemy.

Honestly America should be banned in a lot of places by the same standards. over 1 million dead in Iraq.. 4 Million dead is East Asia.. to name two examples. Just not televised live on social media.

>>28344 *not to mention we supported Israel through money/diplomacy/arms without which they could have done very little

>>28344 Or all the Native Americans, which would be a more fitting comparison in this regard.

>>28347 Spaniards had a bit to do with that as well.

>>28346 It is a little known fact that Israel deserves its existence mostly to Czechoslovakia. The United States and the United Nations had imposed blanket bans on selling any weapons or military-grade equipment to Israel. Rabbi Zev Tzvi Vorhand’s friendship with Jan Masaryk, Czechoslovakia’s Foreign Minister, helped him persuade Czechoslovakia to sell arms to Israel and it then became the primary conduit to send arms to the new Jewish state. Yet everybody thinks the British fucked this up (as always).

>>28351 Countries (like USA) turning away Jewish holocaust refugees leaving many nowhere else to go, also helped.. Lots of factors.

>>28339 I honestly don't get it. >Judges: Biased and everyone hated them >Cutting votes: Good but why allow for duplicate votes? Normies vote for each act over the night at their Eurovision parties and that's how it should work. The show is designed this way and it should reword acts everyone likes rather than controversy You can't even have a camp international singing contest in the 2020s without it turning toxic.

Should be a rule that to be a part of Eurovision you have to be a part of Europe or Australasia.

>>28355 Jeux Sans Frontières was far superior anyway.

>>28362 Or Canada >Canada pushes to join Eurovision: ‘This is about protecting our identity’ Country explores taking part in the glitzy song contest as it distances from the US and seeks to deepen ties with Europe

>>28366 I'm sorry but then we would have to let the US in.

>>28367 Nope, not at all. US prefers their own stuff lol.

>>28372 Weren't they part of Russian and Autocratic regime friends Eurovision?

>>28373 What is what? Who is who? Please rephrase your question.

>>28374 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervision_2025 But it looks like we stopped them entering it. >During the contest's final, the hosts announced that the United States' entrant, Vassy, would not be performing. They claimed that this was due to "unprecedented political pressure from the Australian government", as Vassy is a dual citizen of both countries. In a later interview with Australia's ABC, Vassy expressed disappointment and was "reluctant to give further details until she spoke with the Australian government". The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, meanwhile, said it had "no engagement" with the organisers of Intervision.[138] The US continued to participate as a juror.

>>28329 >>that supposedly nobody watches I feel it has lost a lot of popularity. I personally completely stopped watching after that year where the cool Icelandic band got robbed. But even before I had lost any real excitement about it.

Here's the explanation from RTÉ: "RTÉ feels that Ireland’s participation remains unconscionable given the appalling loss of lives in Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there, which continues to put the lives of so many civilians at risk. RTÉ remains deeply concerned by the targeted killing of journalists in Gaza during the conflict and the continued denial of access to international journalists to the territory." I copied it from their website: https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2025/1204/1547300-rte-to-boycott-eurovision-song-contest-over-israel/ As a male, more than 15 years of age, heterosexual, I don't care much about that show. But it was interesting listening to and reading about reactions from Israeli embassy when this was hinted some time ago. Why do they care so much about media in a small place at the outer edge of Europe? Powers that be at this place are interested in having good relations with Israel, but they are not really loud about it. Artists, media people, and what's still there of left side of political spectrum are vocal about supporting Palestine. Anyway, I was listening to a news station this morning and one of commenters hinted that Germany made noises about withdrawing their support if Israel is removed. Apparently, it would have a big financial impact. First I discarded it as bullshit, but then I've read the article that I've linked. >>28364 This, 100% this. People falling into water is more interesting to watch than a shitty song contest.

>>28819 > Why do they care so much about media in a small place at the outer edge of Europe? Because they're riding really, really, really hard on the edge this time and need every little chance they can get to promote their propaganda. Keep in mind that it's not just about Gaza, they're also cleansing the whole West Bank right now. They're trying to finally get something done they haven't been able to for decades and the time window they have is very small.

>>28819 >Why do they care so much about media in a small place at the outer edge of Europe? Israel invests in global influence operations because they know what happened to South Africa and Rhodesia - this is existential for them. >This, 100% this. People falling into water is more interesting to watch than a shitty song contest. A big part of it is getting drunk with friends or shitposting in the Eurovision threads. The songs are supposed to be bad and silly.

>>28831 > The songs are supposed to be bad and silly. Gina G was pure art though.

>>28819 > Anyway, I was listening to a news station this morning and one of commenters hinted that Germany made noises about withdrawing their support if Israel is removed. Apparently, it would have a big financial impact. This keeps being repeated all the time, but it's not true. Germany's membership fees to the EBU (around 450.000 Euros in 2025) make up less than 4% of the whole EBU budget and that fee covers more than just sponsoring the European Song Contest. The financial burden of the ESC overwhelmingly lies on the "lucky" country that won the previous year and now has to organize the event. Depending on how you do it, the event alone can cost between 20 and 60 million dollars, but the EBU covers only 6 million out of its own budget. So in that regard, Germany dropping out would not really change anything because Germany does not pay any significant amount towards the ESC as long as it doesn't have to host it, and winning the ESC is not something Germany can be expected to do again soon. Also even if the whole German ESC audience would be lost due to German TV stations not transmitting it any longer, that would be only around 6% of the total viewership. The threat of Germany dropping out of the ESC is mostly symbolic in nature. You simply don't want to lose the largest EU country and one of the so-called "Big Five" over something so "small". Obviously that has now completely backfired since Spain is also one of the "Big Five". If this drama continues, I can see Italy also dropping out again. They only came back to the ESC after a 13-year hiatus in 2011 and Italy has seen some of the heaviest Anti-Israel protests in all of Europe.

nothing will happen. they excluded Russia and us, and nobody cared. I still don't get it though: caught a glimpse that it was not only about Israel's policies in Gaza but about some organizational changes

>>28848 It should be noted that Belarus was the first country to get disqualified for violating the non-political nature of the ESC, in 2021, before the Russian War or Israels Genocide had started.

>>28853 sure I think Georgia also had some song about Russia in 2008 or 2009 anyway, my point was that it happens from time to time, not a big deal. and next year they will return to the contest. if Italy did, then those other smaller nations surely will.

>>28853 Were there ever boycotts or bans on Francoist-Spain in place? That lasted well into the 70s didn't it? And Franco very openly had collaborated with the most evil regime in the history of the universe.

>>28861 I'm not aware of any controversies about Spain back then. But it was also literally a different time. Many dictators were treated like guests of honour. It isn't the first boycott against Israel, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest_1978 > The 1978 contest was transmitted by a number of broadcasters from countries that didn't acknowledge the State of Israel, including several Arab countries (such as Algeria, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates). Many chose to cut to a commercial during the Israeli performance, and when it became clear Israel was going to win, they ended their broadcasts early. Jordan Television (JTV) closed the show by broadcasting photos of flowers, and later announced that runner-up Belgium were the winners instead. The story goes that since the Israeli broadcaster didn't buy enough airtime and those watching through neighboring broadcasters like JTV never saw the end of the voting, many Israelis had no idea they had won until the following morning.

>>28871 > Many dictators were treated like guests of honour Such as? And which had collaborated with Hitler "The Devil Adolf" of Germany and were allowed to continue building international relations?

>>28367 Yeah, it would be diplomatically unwise to include Canada but exclude the US. And, culturally, while Canada is somewhere between the US and Europe, I think they are really more US than Europe anyway. Their political culture may be more European, but their everyday culture seems to be like 70% American, looking from the other side of the pond. Letting both participate would be an option, though. I guess.

>>28888 I'm not going to do all that research now, but Idi Amin being invited to Buckingham Palace in 1971 springs to mind. Strong admirer of Adolf Hitler. He ended up killing about as many people as Franco (~400.000) but did so in a much smaller country.

>>28896 Okay. So was he ever banned from anything?